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> <channel><title>Comments on: Make the transition to the Untemplater lifestyle with a 5-to-9 job</title> <atom:link href="http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/</link> <description>Shatter the Template Lifestyle</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:05:32 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Robert</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-2168</link> <dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:51:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-2168</guid> <description>Great read. I don&#039;t have much to comment on except I know exactly what you mean. This was a very matter of fact post. The 5-9 isn&#039;t easy, but the goal and little victories like your first sale while you&#039;re sleeping, or first post with 10 comments...they carries mental weight that propel you to keep following your passion, keep writing about what you care about and keep trying to make a difference. It&#039;s a lot more rewarding, even if you enjoy your job than clocking and out and solving corporate nonsense problems.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great read. I don&#8217;t have much to comment on except I know exactly what you mean. This was a very matter of fact post. The 5-9 isn&#8217;t easy, but the goal and little victories like your first sale while you&#8217;re sleeping, or first post with 10 comments&#8230;they carries mental weight that propel you to keep following your passion, keep writing about what you care about and keep trying to make a difference. It&#8217;s a lot more rewarding, even if you enjoy your job than clocking and out and solving corporate nonsense problems.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Financial Samurai</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1691</link> <dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:55:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1691</guid> <description>Albert - The good thing about this site is that it acts as a support group for those who are looking to get out, or who have gotten booted out by the template lifestyle.You&#039;re right about McKinsey grads who go on to do their own thing.  I just wonder if it&#039;s impossible to do both well.  Isn&#039;t that the key?  Balance?Wouldn&#039;t every 28 year old love to make $200,000 at strategy consulting firm X, while having their own business, and travelling the world for 1.5  months a year?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Albert &#8211; The good thing about this site is that it acts as a support group for those who are looking to get out, or who have gotten booted out by the template lifestyle.</p><p>You&#8217;re right about McKinsey grads who go on to do their own thing.  I just wonder if it&#8217;s impossible to do both well.  Isn&#8217;t that the key?  Balance?</p><p>Wouldn&#8217;t every 28 year old love to make $200,000 at strategy consulting firm X, while having their own business, and travelling the world for 1.5  months a year?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Albert Ciuksza Jr.</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1686</link> <dc:creator>Albert Ciuksza Jr.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:05:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1686</guid> <description>Haha, we ran out of replies, so I have to reply to my own :)What I think you&#039;re bringing up is the considerable difference between motivation and realism. And I think it is a point that the writers on this site should probably keep in mind.About six years ago, I decided to break out on my own working as a consultant after working at a Fortune 500. Within 18 months, I was going to my $25/mo gym to shower because I couldn&#039;t afford the $150/mo gas bill (this is where I learned the difference between the asset accounts &quot;accounts receivable&quot; and &quot;cash&quot;). Should I have taken the risk? I don&#039;t know -- I&#039;m sure I could be in a different place in my career had I made a different decision. But, the experience was incredibly important to understanding the right way to be an entrepreneur.There&#039;s *nothing* wrong with the template life. &quot;Different isn&#039;t bad, different is simply different.&quot; But, for some, the template lifestyle isn&#039;t for them, and having a community of others who see the world similarly is both helpful and inspiring. In some ways, I&#039;m almost jealous of those folks who are lawyers or financial analysts who work hard and eventually make partner.As for the McKinsey example -- there are a lot of folks who take their McKinsey experience and launch something on their own, which is a testament to McKinsey&#039;s ability to develop people. I think if you&#039;d interview a lot of those people who are now on their own, they would probably say that they went into their role at McKinsey with the goal of being solo.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, we ran out of replies, so I have to reply to my own <img
src='http://untemplater.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>What I think you&#8217;re bringing up is the considerable difference between motivation and realism. And I think it is a point that the writers on this site should probably keep in mind.</p><p>About six years ago, I decided to break out on my own working as a consultant after working at a Fortune 500. Within 18 months, I was going to my $25/mo gym to shower because I couldn&#8217;t afford the $150/mo gas bill (this is where I learned the difference between the asset accounts &#8220;accounts receivable&#8221; and &#8220;cash&#8221;). Should I have taken the risk? I don&#8217;t know &#8212; I&#8217;m sure I could be in a different place in my career had I made a different decision. But, the experience was incredibly important to understanding the right way to be an entrepreneur.</p><p>There&#8217;s *nothing* wrong with the template life. &#8220;Different isn&#8217;t bad, different is simply different.&#8221; But, for some, the template lifestyle isn&#8217;t for them, and having a community of others who see the world similarly is both helpful and inspiring. In some ways, I&#8217;m almost jealous of those folks who are lawyers or financial analysts who work hard and eventually make partner.</p><p>As for the McKinsey example &#8212; there are a lot of folks who take their McKinsey experience and launch something on their own, which is a testament to McKinsey&#8217;s ability to develop people. I think if you&#8217;d interview a lot of those people who are now on their own, they would probably say that they went into their role at McKinsey with the goal of being solo.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Financial Samurai</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1684</link> <dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:52:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1684</guid> <description>Very good points on the untemplater lifestyle.  On the internet, everybody is a success and nobody has lost money in the stock market.  However, we know that for every 1 &quot;success&quot; there are many other failures.Do you think there is a risk that an untemplater movement might wrongly encourage those in the template life to take risks they shouldn&#039;t?I think it&#039;s important to live life now, and with NO regrets.  Yet, I wonder if there will be many who will regret not leading the template lifestyle, even though Thailand was a great boondoggle?  Who says having a template lifestyle is bad anyway?  Or, is it just more fun being cool?Why not work at McKinsey &amp; Co making $200,000/yr at age 28 AND doing something on the side?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points on the untemplater lifestyle.  On the internet, everybody is a success and nobody has lost money in the stock market.  However, we know that for every 1 &#8220;success&#8221; there are many other failures.</p><p>Do you think there is a risk that an untemplater movement might wrongly encourage those in the template life to take risks they shouldn&#8217;t?</p><p>I think it&#8217;s important to live life now, and with NO regrets.  Yet, I wonder if there will be many who will regret not leading the template lifestyle, even though Thailand was a great boondoggle?  Who says having a template lifestyle is bad anyway?  Or, is it just more fun being cool?</p><p>Why not work at McKinsey &amp; Co making $200,000/yr at age 28 AND doing something on the side?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Albert Ciuksza</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1683</link> <dc:creator>Albert Ciuksza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:45:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1683</guid> <description>Oh, who knows when it will happen, if at all. I have a project now that is as close to a &quot;dream&quot; project as I&#039;ve had, which is exciting, and doing it with a team of friends makes it that much better.Interesting question. I&#039;ll say this -- I think it is safe to assume that the risk associated with breaking the template (i.e. leaving a stable job for the wonders of self-direction) is what holds back the people who might aspire to an Untemplater life. The recession did two things: 1) it changed the risk element (i.e. you can&#039;t find a job or don&#039;t have the stability you originally thought you had), and 2) it changed what matters (if I&#039;m doing all of this work for a chance to get laid off with two weeks of pay, then why wouldn&#039;t I just try to do this on my own and do the things I want to do).For those already leaning toward breaking the template, the recession helped push them over the goal line. For those who were laid off or are otherwise unemployed and are selling themselves as a &quot;consultant&quot; as a way to land the next job isn&#039;t really a strategy to live the Untemplater life, so I&#039;d say there&#039;s a difference between the two.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, who knows when it will happen, if at all. I have a project now that is as close to a &#8220;dream&#8221; project as I&#8217;ve had, which is exciting, and doing it with a team of friends makes it that much better.</p><p>Interesting question. I&#8217;ll say this &#8212; I think it is safe to assume that the risk associated with breaking the template (i.e. leaving a stable job for the wonders of self-direction) is what holds back the people who might aspire to an Untemplater life. The recession did two things: 1) it changed the risk element (i.e. you can&#8217;t find a job or don&#8217;t have the stability you originally thought you had), and 2) it changed what matters (if I&#8217;m doing all of this work for a chance to get laid off with two weeks of pay, then why wouldn&#8217;t I just try to do this on my own and do the things I want to do).</p><p>For those already leaning toward breaking the template, the recession helped push them over the goal line. For those who were laid off or are otherwise unemployed and are selling themselves as a &#8220;consultant&#8221; as a way to land the next job isn&#8217;t really a strategy to live the Untemplater life, so I&#8217;d say there&#8217;s a difference between the two.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Albert Ciuksza</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1682</link> <dc:creator>Albert Ciuksza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1682</guid> <description>Dawn -- couldn&#039;t agree more. You HAVE to set your finish line. I don&#039;t care what anyone says, 12-to-16-hour days are not healthy nor sustainable. Plus, I know that I don&#039;t want to look back on this section of my life and say, &quot;all I did was work.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn &#8212; couldn&#8217;t agree more. You HAVE to set your finish line. I don&#8217;t care what anyone says, 12-to-16-hour days are not healthy nor sustainable. Plus, I know that I don&#8217;t want to look back on this section of my life and say, &#8220;all I did was work.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Financial Samurai</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1681</link> <dc:creator>Financial Samurai</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:23:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1681</guid> <description>Hopefully you will focus your ultimate wish by the time you graduate.  Def is good to have the 5-9pm experience under your belt.Do you think there would be LESS Untemplater-type people if there was no economic downturn?  In other words, do you think this arse kicking we received from the economy dislodged many people from working their dream template lifestyles and are forced to do something else?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully you will focus your ultimate wish by the time you graduate.  Def is good to have the 5-9pm experience under your belt.</p><p>Do you think there would be LESS Untemplater-type people if there was no economic downturn?  In other words, do you think this arse kicking we received from the economy dislodged many people from working their dream template lifestyles and are forced to do something else?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Albert Ciuksza</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1680</link> <dc:creator>Albert Ciuksza</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:08:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1680</guid> <description>What do I ultimately want to do? I don&#039;t know yet. I was asked this a year ago for a newspaper article, and I said that I wanted to learn as much as I can helping others get their companies off the ground so that, when I figure out my dream, I&#039;ll (hopefully) have enough experience to make it work. I think that still applies.As for when to leave ... I think there are so many factors to this point for folks, it makes it very hard to answer well. The recession has made it much harder to take the plunge (though, I feel strongly that having 5-to-9 experience on the resume makes it easier to find a job), so that would legitimately hold some back. For me, it&#039;s a matter of finding the thing I really want to do. If that is embodied in another role in my current 9-to-5 or another role somewhere else, I&#039;m open to that.Carlos&#039; recent post about letting go of control speaks to what is a very important part of this lifestyle, and that is that you really never know who you&#039;re going to meet or what&#039;s going to happen. You might get discovered Hollywood-like by a successful entrepreneur and get recruited to his company, or you might get four amazing referrals to your services that could pay the bills ten times over. I believe that, if you&#039;re not open to new relationships and opportunities, even if they come from unexpected places, you&#039;re not going to get to take advantages of a lot of the chances presented to you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do I ultimately want to do? I don&#8217;t know yet. I was asked this a year ago for a newspaper article, and I said that I wanted to learn as much as I can helping others get their companies off the ground so that, when I figure out my dream, I&#8217;ll (hopefully) have enough experience to make it work. I think that still applies.</p><p>As for when to leave &#8230; I think there are so many factors to this point for folks, it makes it very hard to answer well. The recession has made it much harder to take the plunge (though, I feel strongly that having 5-to-9 experience on the resume makes it easier to find a job), so that would legitimately hold some back. For me, it&#8217;s a matter of finding the thing I really want to do. If that is embodied in another role in my current 9-to-5 or another role somewhere else, I&#8217;m open to that.</p><p>Carlos&#8217; recent post about letting go of control speaks to what is a very important part of this lifestyle, and that is that you really never know who you&#8217;re going to meet or what&#8217;s going to happen. You might get discovered Hollywood-like by a successful entrepreneur and get recruited to his company, or you might get four amazing referrals to your services that could pay the bills ten times over. I believe that, if you&#8217;re not open to new relationships and opportunities, even if they come from unexpected places, you&#8217;re not going to get to take advantages of a lot of the chances presented to you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dawn</title><link>http://untemplater.com/business/entrepreneurship/make-the-transition-to-the-untemplater-lifestyle-with-a-5-to-9-job/#comment-1677</link> <dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:40:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://untemplater.com/?p=1112#comment-1677</guid> <description>Hah! I just mean you need something else, or you tend to go a little batty. Not that I have experience with that or anything.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah! I just mean you need something else, or you tend to go a little batty. Not that I have experience with that or anything.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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